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| WMD Summit; Totally not doing this again. *cough* | |
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| Cloud Peoples | Jul 12 2015, 01:57 PM Post #1 |
It's me. Hi
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{Time Set: In a lull in military activity some time in the VERY near future - basically just a time without a major conflict going on} It had taken many hours of debate within the halls of Freedom House - the centre of government for The Republic of the Cloud Peoples. Over these many hours, the Prime Minister (Edward Hertz) had been persuaded to change his long held ideals on the nation's military and stance of the worldwide state of affairs. In one final push of debating, the PM and his close colleagues - the Minister of Defence, the Minister of Economics, and a few others had been beaten (metaphorically) into submission. It had not made Hertz's day. "Mr. Gràhem". He sighed, "it looks like you'll have to make the preparations. I guess it may be for the best, but whether we like it or not, that's democracy. Get to it immediately please". "Yes sir" was the Minister of Defence's reply. (OOC: Meanwhile the rest of the government and the citizens breathed a sigh of relief. Would the PM finally think about the people for once??:P) He returned to his office and began to write:
[OOC: I basically just copied this from the last thread - ignore the original and pretend I never started it  I'm looking for response (in a letter form if possible) within the next 3 days. I shall then outline the information about the venue, travel to the venue, and what can be expected. Then in about 5 or so days, the Summit will start. If you do not get a reply in before it starts we can imagine you have and go from there] |
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| Cloud Peoples | Jul 20 2015, 08:55 PM Post #41 |
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(presuming they're here for the conference, if not..as you were): Their Benevolences are greeted in the same manner as other delegates (maybe ever so slightly more politely).
Dear Mr. Flamel, I am saddened to hear of your bad experience so far in our nation, rest assured that some of the issues are only temporary matters and will be resolved as quickly and fairly as possible. However we would be willing to discuss the matter further with you following the summit. Sincerely, E. Hertz Prime Minister for The Cloud Peoples Day 2: The delegates awaken to a light rain and a brisk easterly wind. Following a well provided breakfast including local foods, and those of the delegate's respective nations, each participating member were directed to their vehicles, and driven to the Convention Centre to begin the talks. Each representative was directed to their seat - all more or less facing each other on a u-shaped conference table, each position equiped with a microphone (and someone in the viewing box to translate if need be). After the general murmur of conversations between people had ceased, Edward Hertz, the Prime Minister of The Cloud Peoples entered the room. The man was in his mid-forties, average height, balding and dressed in a formal suit. He nodded a greeting to the delegates and, standing in front of the table (on a little stage), spoke: "Ladies and Gentlemen, it is my great pleasure to welcome you to this conference. It has been bought to our attention that the use of weapons of mass destruction, used by many nations in the Allegiance, and even by some of the nations whose representatives are here before me, are having a negative effect on the global community, society and world as a whole. While engaging in warfare is sometimes a must, is it a requirement that whole regions should be obliterated, or millions of people exterminated when damage can be limited to necessities from the agreements that we will make here today. I thank you for coming, and without further ado, we should start. Firstly, we believe that a few questions should be answered first: -What defines a Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD)? -What laws and limits should be put in regarding the manufacture and use of such weapons - is ownership of such weapons allowed for purposes of deterrence? -What penalties should be enacted for rule breaking nations? -Should the regulations agreed to at this summit be a requirement for all, not just signatory nations? Secondly, if anyone else has matters to discuss, please raise them." Hertz sits, and the talks begin. [I wasn't entirely sure how to start this...let me know if this is a bad way, or if there's anything I've forgotten] |
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| Great Scourge | Jul 20 2015, 09:45 PM Post #42 |
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Society develops, generally, in this fashion: -Nomadic, hunter-gatherer -Semi-nomadic and/or herding -Settled, agrarian, and tribal -City-states OR feudal -Feudal OR imperial -City based nation-state |
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| Flamels Stone | Jul 20 2015, 09:48 PM Post #43 |
 
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The delegates take their seats, each with their automaton guard. As they hear the questions Mathew rises before any did. ''Greetings, I am Mathew Flamel as many of you know and here is the newly apointed military leader Gen.Bradley.''He rises and makes a low bow. ''Answering the questions, I suggest that a WMD be classified as: A Weapon capable of harming or killing a huge number of number of lives or causing great damage to a great area, structures (natural or man made) or Eco-systems. As for laws to be put in place... Ban them. ''He looks around waiting for reactions. '' I know you have reasons not too, but let me finish. I also want a new international organization to oversee the nations so we can have some control over this. So...please speak.'' Edited by Flamels Stone, Jul 20 2015, 09:50 PM.
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| Great Scourge | Jul 20 2015, 09:54 PM Post #44 |
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Lord Wiegand, General Dominus, Minister Simin, and Minister Aiello sit down. Oddly enough, they are still in alternative robes, though these robes are coloured properly for their respective statuses. As observers, their Benevolences also sit. Justyn speaks up. "May I first say that my comrade Aiello is not fluent in trade, and if possible the translator speaking in German would be helpful to her." Gutenviller repeats what Justyn said in, but in German, to Fleur, and she nods. |
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| Velkand | Jul 20 2015, 10:08 PM Post #45 |
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Empress Tanjansa seems fairly alarmed at what Mathew had said,"Banning WMDs would lead to warfare on a level that millions would be executed. They are what ensure peactime, however uneasy. A nation without them is often invaded and either vassalized or annexed." |
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| Yusukistan | Jul 20 2015, 10:08 PM Post #46 |
Bill Swerskiei
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Bishop Inbelial, Prime Minister Neapolis, and Father Meticulus take their seats. A guard in full-plate bearing the symbol of the Clerical Guard stands at attention two feet behind each of them. |
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| Cloud Peoples | Jul 20 2015, 10:15 PM Post #47 |
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Oh I see what you mean. What I intended to get at was that the history of the nation does not go back that far, or that it was so long ago/history isn't good enough to have documented it...basically I hadn't thought about it
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| Flamels Stone | Jul 20 2015, 10:20 PM Post #48 |
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'' What do you suggest then? What is this summit for, if not to ban them? If you don't ban then you will restrict it's use, and I think that a country at war wont care about restrictions. e need to cut the evil by its root! They mustn't be produced.'' |
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| Great Scourge | Jul 20 2015, 10:22 PM Post #49 |
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Dominus nods at the empress. "Indeed, Matthew! For all that they are dangerous, a world without nukes is a world with that much less deterrence. If it were that simple, do you think my own nation would still have nukes? When dealing with extremely militaristic nations like Velkand, thermonuclear war is still not deterrent enough! Now imagine if my nation had no nukes, antimatter bombs, and the one classified thing, and they had no large missiles, orbital weapons, et cetera! To be frank, we'd probably be at war with them at this moment." Justyn, however, bangs his fist on the table. "My love, are you mad? See not how insanely close we came to the precipice of nuclear fires raging in Dorshulmar as death rained from the skies in Stahlsstein? However, I do disagree with Matthew. Weapons that on planets would indeed be WMDs are in fact the only viable weapons in space. Conventional and nuclear weapons both rely on tactics that only work with an atmosphere. Further, Matthew's definition does not at all include chemical, and it wouldn't take a scientist to think up a biological weapon capable of ruining that definition. Not only that, but his definition is horridly vague and includes weapons that most sensible people would not at all consider WMDs. Thus, for the purpose of this summit, I define a WMD as chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons - and for the purpose of nuclear, I include fusion and antimatter bombs. Not, however, antimatter bombs used in space, as I have described my reasons for." |
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| Velkand | Jul 20 2015, 10:37 PM Post #50 |
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The Empress appreciates Dominus' words,"We should make sure they are not used without merit; if one nation attacks another with WMDs, the other should then be permitted to use them." |
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| Harndar | Jul 20 2015, 10:45 PM Post #51 |
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"Oh crap, I forgot to feed Charlie." Hersod runs back into the protected area, found restaurant, order to go, and went straight to where Charlie. |
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| Flamels Stone | Jul 20 2015, 10:54 PM Post #52 |
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''I fail to understand your point Dominus, without WMD you would be at war with them? And Justyn, the defenition for WMD must be vague enough to include any new weapons that arent classified as nuclear etc etc... my definition does include biological and chemical weapons, do those not cause great harm to either human lives or structures? I understand that it is too vague but I would like suggestions that don't limit it to those kind of weapons. And find it amazing that you are considering space wars, if you are so concerned about it, we could limit this law to Earth(an empiric limit is to be set). I, myself, see no problem in a war in space if there's no aftermath in earth or on innocent lives. The military destroy each other far away from earth and any colony and all is well in earth. '' Edited by Flamels Stone, Jul 20 2015, 10:57 PM.
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| Cewania | Jul 20 2015, 11:44 PM Post #53 |
 
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Chansz Hamer with an awkward look at his face asks: What again is the problem with kinetic weapons in space ? Or shaped charges ? |
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| Great Scourge | Jul 21 2015, 12:44 AM Post #54 |
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Wiegand looks at Chansz, sighing almost. "Oh, do be quiet. My point is, any weapon that is effective in space would be a WMD on a planet." Dominus speaks to Matthew when Wiegand stops. "Oh, come on, this is elementary school stuff! WMDs serve as a deterrent to war because of a concept called mutually assured destruction." |
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| Velkand | Jul 21 2015, 12:52 AM Post #55 |
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Jautun Atluune suddenly has a quite loud outburst,"Ijeah! Ultune'evahnii!" ((Translation: You see! This man knows what he's talking about!)) |
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| Great Scourge | Jul 21 2015, 12:57 AM Post #56 |
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The Scourgii cringe. |
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| Cewania | Jul 21 2015, 01:02 AM Post #57 |
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Chansz coughs a bit "would have to be a pretty gigantic shaped charge to be considered a WMD. Also is the prospect of a years long bloody war mess with things like napalm bombed cities and murder commandos so appealing that only the prospect of imminent death seems like a deterrent ?" |
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| Velkand | Jul 21 2015, 01:02 AM Post #58 |
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Tanjansa takes on an apologetic look,"Forgive High Commander Jautun, he only talks in very loud tones due to a brain injury." |
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| Great Scourge | Jul 21 2015, 01:50 AM Post #59 |
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"Oh, Chansz. You are ever so wise. There, now will you let the big kids talk?" rhetorically questioned Fleur, before being chastised by Justyn. "I apologize for the condescending tone of my comrades. Chansz, its a deterrent because the threat of immediate, swift, and devastating retaliation is quite the threat to deal with when weighing the opportunities of going to war against a nation. Nuclear weapons make an area uninhabitable for decades!" He then mutters quietly in Scourgian. "Now, again, I apologize for my comrades' tone. Its just that seeing this city and then seeing the cherry picked route that the delegates were given infuriated us," he explains. He then puts a hand on his mouth. "Oh, what a give-away!" |
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| Cewania | Jul 21 2015, 02:21 AM Post #60 |
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Imminent swift death of a nuclear war opposed to a slow genocide of the conventional war seems pretty even on the don't want it scale. And don't try to say that nukes are hard to defend against, They are just missiles with scary warheads. Of course a nuke is a pretty good deterrent but WMD aren't the only things that can work as a convincing deterrent. ...he stops for a while... I don't mind the condescending attitude...after all i grow up in Cewania ! |
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